Village Idiots of Wycombe Islamic Mission Ltd hold Mosque election

It’s been almost a decade in the making, with tens of thousands of pounds in missing mosque funds and a long running feud in the high court, but the village idiots of Wycombe Islamic Mission® have finally held a mosque committee election.

As always, let The Akh break it down for you.

My locality of H/W is no different to any other ghetto mentality Muslim neighbourhood in England. It has has it’s share of well doers but the majority professional class consist of “paki shop” owners, greasy deathtrap takeaways and the poorly employed taxi mafia’s and their aspirationally challenged (wannabe tony montana type drug dealing) children.

In the mix of all this comes Wycombe Islamic Mission (WIM) the long founded Mosque to serve H/W’s mainly Mirpuri/Brelvi community.

WIM operate out of 3 locations in H/W and offer a culturally attuned Islam that it’s patrons require, you know the one I’m talking about, plenty of tinsel, flashing lights that give you a headache, the obligatory singing in punjabi and the parades to celebrate the birth of the Prophet (SAW) as

“This is very, very important to our Islamic functions. It is high profile because as like Christmas we celebrate the birth of the holy prophet”

The crux of the matter with WIM is that first & foremost it’s incorporated as a limited business, not as a charity.

You can view their finances on companies house.

A limited company (rather than a charity) has shareholders and pays out dividends, so why WIM has chosen to run like a business rather than a charity is anyones guess.

But when you franchise your operation from three locations, and collect an easy £10K a week in donations, perhaps it’s easy to see why you want to get into the “mosque business”.

Maybe that’s the real reason why rival factions have been fighting in the high court for control of this money making venture.

It was only after this dispute was settled, was a call for mosque elections called.

All the village idiots were out in full on Sunday to cast their votes to elect a new management committee, with two police cars stationed in front of the mosque to ensure the taxi mafia goon squad didn’t pull out knives and threaten to kill people like they did during a jumma khutbah a couple of years back, when allegations of mismanagement of mosque funds were aired publicly.

So now that the village idiots have counted up their votes, I can hear you asking what the result was?

Well let me tell you this.

One of the elderly “uncles” decided that he was no longer fit to sit on the committee any more.

Excellent!

An excellent opportunity to get younger blood with fresh ideas and outlook to drive the locals forward.

Sorry to burst your bubble.

The Uncle got his own son to stand in his place, and rather obligingly, his entire baradari (clan system) voted for him en masse.

And thats how the perpetual circle of insanity continues, in my part of the world, mosque elections are nothing but a fraud, a hollow sham of an event that ensures the same families keep power of a money making asset.

The Prophet (SAW) hadith of the best of you being ruled by the worst comes to mind.

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32 responses to “Village Idiots of Wycombe Islamic Mission Ltd hold Mosque election

  1. Jarrar Mughal

    As a Proud Mirpuri i am dissapointed that elections took place at all!

    However since the travesty did take place its only right that the son of a bitch, I mean Son of the former member stood – how else can power (:D) be retained.

    On a serious note, changing behavior and attitudes is very very hard and it needs dedicated people to do so. I sure those who are working towards the overthrow of the regime are not deflated.

    Here in brum similar story with most mosques but there is a notable instance where a mosque committie was overthrown by the youth, and is now run by (relative) youth, with lots of activities and fun things for young ppl to do!!

    • Aasiq Rasul

      As a Muslim i find it very offensive to see brothers abusing one another like this. The writer of this article is very wrong to portray a message like his title and using Quranic verses to support his ignorance. If this message began and ended as its title states im sorry to say I would think it was written by a non muslim, there are ways of putting messages forward do you think the Prophet (SAW) would say this is the right way. This is a very famous saying of the Prophet (SAW) from Sahi Bukhari Shareef – A muslim is the one who avoids harming Muslims with his tongue and hands. Please don’treply to this as I don’t like arguing and you will be going against this Hadith.

      • Akh The Angry Academic Activist

        Thanks for passing Takfir upon me, because if I’m not the Kuffar that you have labelled me as, then that allegation is on your shoulders. Seeing you are a holy and well read person I’m sure you’ll have no problems in digging up the hadith.

        You fail to answer any of the points I have made and instead prefer character assassination.

        I challenge you the same way I challenged the other “Adaab Police” who preferred to attack me, rather then the facts I have quoted.

        So to continue the now regular ‘Adaab’ theme of attack on me and seeing you all love playing “Hadith top trumps” I’d like to ask you a simple question, would I have the correct adaab if I called these people dogs?

        Over to you, you have 3 days to respond.

      • Aashiq Rasul

        Astaghfirullah Im not one to pass Takfir on anyone, thats for Allah to decide, you sound like someone who is very interested in making something out of nothing just as the people in the Mosque having verbal battles every Friday during Jumah prayer. I’m against the mosque elections just as you are and the trouble being caused in the Mosque but your article is achieving nothing but causing more division in the community. However you ask to read your article carefully if you read it yourself carefully then you will realise what you have written is against the whole muslim community, and it is Allah who give’s guidance.“paki shop” owners, greasy deathtrap takeaways and the poorly employed taxi mafia’s and their aspirationally challenged (wannabe tony montana type drug dealing) children. Please don’t reply cos Ithink you still won’t get the message.

  2. I am seriously thinking of running a goat for the next Council elections against some of these elders. You in brother?

  3. ALI KHAN

    THE PERSO WHO WROTE THIS ARTICLE NEEDS TO WATCH THE WAY HE SPEAKS ABOUT PEOPLE, AND IF HE THINKS HE CAN THEN SHOULD SAY IT ON THERE FACE, NOT BEHIND A COMPUTER, AS FOR THE VILLAGE IDIOTS YOUR DAD AND GRANDAD ARE PART OF THE CLAN YOU PRICK, JUST COME AND SHOW YOUR FACE AND I’LL MAKE SURE U GET A FACE LIFT

    • Akh The Angry Academic Activist

      Yet another erudite posting by a wycombite.

      Sorry to burst your bubble chum, I’m not part of “your” clan in any way, shape or form.

      Probably part of the taxi mafia goon squad that owns the masjid.

      Cheer up, or didn’t your baradari win?

      Anyway there’s always the next election, in about ten years, you can try fix that one.

      Or I may just take up the other brother’s offer, and stand a goat as a viable candidate.

      • Zeeshan

        So the ignorance of a group of people gives you the right to be ignorant? You have no right to talk about another person in the aforementioned manner.. You are not the judge over any man, only Allah (swt) unreservedly has the right to judge. Educating people as to what they are doing is wrong, is the appropriate manner in which to approach this situation, not verbally abusing a community from behind a screen. And for everyone complaining about the lack of youth, step forward yourselves or keep your silence, you’re no better than the current members of the committee if all you do is moan. Wallahi take action if you are god fearing men.

  4. Raja

    There was a list of 25 candidates to chose from, seeing none of the individuals had any sort of manifesto, it was members of the same family replacing the older generation.

    Some of the “ballot” papers were printed with the boxes already ticked in the right places, so all the person had to was sign, more likes put an ink thumb print, and the vote was cast.

    They even knocked on my door to make me go vote, even harassing my mum another time when I wasn’t in, stuffed a vote paper in her hand and told her to go the mosque, and these places normally don’t like having women in their mosques.

    Thought i’d comment because of the TP comment threatning to bash your head in, it’s the typical wycombe thought process.

    I think you, me & saqib should team up and clean up this town.

  5. Shahab

    The recent announcement on Friday when they announced that there isn’t even a penny in the account just makes you laugh. Whether this was politically motivated to have a snipe at the previous comities, or whether the newly elected members have realised that they won’t be making any profits out of this one.
    Can you believe they haven’t paid council tax for over 5 years, the bill stands at -£13,000, no home insurance on three of the properties, the builders have £21,000 owed, current debt stands at nearly -£300,000, they haven’t got any funds to pay their teachers, who has taken the money?

    Bottom line is, we will continue to get the same prats, unless these ppl actually work for the sake of the Muslim community rather then their own pockets. We need young fresh blood, not full time taxis drivers who attend 1 jumma if that per week.

    Shahab

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  7. Bismillah ir-Rahman ir-Rahim

    It’s a complete joke, Wycombe Islamic Mission and Mosque Trust. It doesn’t seem to have a mission to follow let alone an Islamic one. It’s all about the power. when will the new generation wake up and fight for a masjid that serves its Islamic society not the fill the pockets of the so called commitee members. Rant over, i pray that it does change, end the corruption and bring the muslims of Wycombe together like the days of our beloved Prophet Muhammad (swt) inshaAllah, Ameen.

  8. shareeen tanvir

    This ‘article’, if one can even call it that, lacks the basic good adaab that a muslim should have: “village idiots” I couldn’t be prouder of yet another ‘do gooding’ muslim to speak about other muslims in such a manner. Regardless of the mosques are run and whom they are run by, change comes from us, the youth. However you can not push for change if frankly you speak in such a manner. You are issuing hate, islaam is a religion of love. Rasul’Allah sallAllahu wa alahi wasalaam called people to islaam, one of many reasons people became muslims is because of his exceptional adaab, his amazing mannerisms. Do you think people would have entered the realms of islaam if he called insults towards the quraysh? His sallAllahu wa alahi wasalaam’s mannerisms are what we should be emulating. So yeah whilst you may think you have a point, you are what I call someone who wants change but pushes for it in the wrong direction.
    One last piece before I shove off, the bit about mawlid, that you have stated: “This is very, very important to our Islamic functions. It is high profile because as like Christmas we celebrate the birth of the holy prophet”. I have two issues with this, firstly, do not have the audacity to sit here and have a full on rant about the local masjids and the ‘brelwis’ if you can not even address our Beloved Holy Prophet sallAllahu wa alahi wasalam in the correct manner.
    NabiAllah said, “Do not salute for me in short!” The companions asked, “What is saluting in short?” NabiAllah replied, “Saying Blessing of Allah be upon Mohammad, is short.” They asked”what should we say?” NabiAllah answered “You should say, Blessing of Allah be upon Muhammad and His Ahlul Bayt(Family).” Ref: Ibn Hajjar in Sawaiq al Muhriqah, Chapter 11 p225
    SubhanAllah you had the audacity to complete disregard the salutation. This is yet another reason I can’t take you seriously.
    Secondly, that ‘quotation’ you so decisively included, without referencing who said it, is ridiculous. You have not stated who has said it – which frankly makes your stupid argument weak. By you stating that, you are thereby committing slander. Think about that. And before you knock my comment regarding mawlid, please go the ulema, go to the pious sahabahs, go to the classical scholars regarding mawlid. Go to Ibn Kathir! He himself wrote a book regarding the permissibilty of mawlid! In fact let me know if you require further evidence of its authentication, Imam Suyuti has a fabulous book on it too mashAllah.
    So yeah great rant, little evidence, bad adaab, ridiculous words. All in all, I can conclude it was a bad article.
    Asalaamu alaykum brother, I pray insha’Allah your heart is opened and becomes softer.

    • Akh The Angry Academic Activist

      Salaam Shareeen,

      Unfortunately you are more concerned with playing the emotional blackmail card of “Adaab” then addressing the crux of my words – accountability – and the fact there is none for this business operation.

      If you’re a resident of H/W why don’t you go speak to one of these mafia committee’s (if you’re somehow not related to one of them) see if they’ll even listen to what a women even has to say, let alone tell you where all the missing money has gone.

      You reckon the youth will bring change?

      I’ve given an example of how it’s done and how the “mosque” business is controlled from one generation to the next within the same family.

      The Karima group where started up by the younger generation to have more of a say in how the masajid should be run.

      Sadly over time they have been bought on board to provide nothing other than schooling the children and raising funds for the franchises.

      So you can go on your nice little birthday marches full in the knowledge that so much good is being done by your local ltd company.

      Perhaps you should reacquaint yourself with the simple Islamic principle of ‘al walaa wal baraa’ before trying to play your trump ‘Adaab’ card with me.

      The Akh

      • shareeen tanvir

        Asalaamu alaykum,

        It’s not an emotional blackmail card, it’s reality. At the end of the day, I would have taken your argument far more seriously if you had approached it with far better adaab, why? Because adaab, your character is what makes islaam. When politicians for example, resort to insulting their opponents, we don’t take them seriously, regardless of what they may be saying even if it is good, we can’t see past their bad characteristics. Your character is a very large part of your faith, hence my dislike towards the way you have approached the topic.

        I’m sorry to disappoint you, but I’m actually not related to them, any of them in fact. Did I once in my argument say that I agree with them? Or support them? No, my argument however was based on the above paragraph. I am simply trying to say, if you have a point, which it seems you do, say it in a better way. Or go speak to those who are in a position to bring change. It might not be easy, but nothing ever is. If they do not listen to you, then pray for them insha’Allah. Look at the example of Rasul’Allah sallAllahu wa alahi wasalaam, the Quraysh refused to listen to them, regardless of his truthful character, they treated him sallAllahu wa alahi wasalaam in such an awful matter that they left Makkah, but because Rasul’Allah sallAllahu wa alahi wasalaam maintained that good character when they eventually took over Makkah, a lot of the Makkans actually converted to islaam due to his sallAllahu wa alahi wasalaam’s amazing character. That is the crux of my argument: character is central.

        Furthermore if you think the Karima group are doing such a bad job, or perhaps not doing enough, then why not approach them too? Everytime I have a query or what have you, I’ve found it incredibly easy to approach them for help etc. In fact they, alhamdulillah, are doing a lot for the community, they’re actually bringing about spiritual change within Wycombe. They aren’t simply complaining behind a screen 🙂 I’ve said it to several people, again and again, if you want to bring change, you have to be that change. Simply complaining will not do anything, at all. Period.

        I actually don’t attend the ‘birthday marches’, purely because I don’t personally believe that’s how mawlid should be celebrated, but Allahu allim. But thanks for the little dig.

        Thank you for your reply though, you like many others, have proved to me once again, that when offering advice to people like yourself who sit and complain, you don’t acknowledge the advice you simply turn it into an argument of sort. I am very well acquainted with the issue of allegiance and disassociation, which you consider a simple islamic principle, if you want to truly emphasise that principle, I will further emphasise my issue of adaab:

        ‎1) Abu Darda (RA) reported that Rasulullah (SAW) said, “Nothing is weightier on the Scale of Deeds than one’s good manners.”(Al-Bukhari)

        2) Abu Hurairah (RA) said, “I heard Abu al Qasim (Rasulullah (SAW)), say, ‘The best among you in Islam are those with the best manners, so long as they develop a sense of understanding.” (Al-Bukhari)

        3) Rasulullah (SAW) said: “The most beloved of Allah’s servants to Allah are those with the best manners.” (At-Tabarâni)

        4) Abd Allah ibn ‘Amr said, “Rasulullah (SAW) was never obscene or coarse. Rather, he used to tell us that the best among us were those with the best manners.” (Al-Bukhari)

        5) Anas (RA) said, “I served Rasulullah (SAW) for ten years. During that time, he never once said to me as much as ‘Oof’ if I did something wrong. He never asked me, if I had failed to do something, ‘Why did you not do it?,’ and he never said to me, if I had done something wrong, ‘Why did you do it?” (Al-Bukhari)

        6) Abu Hurairah (RA) said that Rasulullah (SAW) said, “If one has good manners, one may attain the same level of merit as those who spend their nights in prayer.” (Al-Bukhari)

        7) Abu Hurairah reported that Rasulullah (SAW) said, “And what is most likely to send people to Paradise? Being conscious of Allah and good manners.” (Al-Bukhari)

        8) Nawas ibn Sam’an reported that Rasulullah (SAW) was asked about doing good and evil. He replied, “Doing good is having good manners. Doing evil is what troubles you inside and what you would not like others to know about.” (Al-Bukhari)

        9) Rasulullah (SAW) said, “He who does not show mercy to our young or show esteem for our elders is not one of us.” (Al-Bukhari)

        10) Abu Hurairah (RA) reported that Rasulullah (SAW) said: “Richness does not lie in the abundance of (worldly) goods, but richness is the richness of the soul (heart, self).”
        (Muslim)

        Once again, I’m not trying to offend you, nor am I trying to belittle you. But what you consider me attempting to ‘trump’ you, is simply me trying to give you some sincere advice.

        I pray insha’Allah you’re in good health and that my words do effect you, in a good manner insha’Allah.

        Asalaamu alaykum.

      • Akh The Angry Academic Activist

        Salaam Shareen,

        Yet again you attack my character whilst hiding behind the veil of ‘Adaab’ and you’d rather do that then make any salient points about the people who happily eat up the “charitable donations” given to the Masajid.

        You’re obviously a skilled researcher, so perhaps you could spend your time searching for hadith on those who wilfully misuse the ‘bait al maal’ or those who place themselves above any sort of scrutiny or accountability.

        So to continue your ‘Adaab’ theme of attack, I’d like to ask you a simple question, would I have the correct adaab if I called these people dogs?

        Over to you.

    • Nahim

      Shareen, I disagree with your comments. You seem to possess a degree of articulacy and knowledge, but suffice to say you are still somewhat young, naive and lack the depth of life experience and frankly, astuteness required to debate the Akh.

      You’re so quick to launch a retaliatory “attack” on the Akh and talk about adaab, when you yourself do not come across as a shining example. If your retort was designed to educate the Akh on the inadequacies of his adaab, then you should have conveyed your message in a politer, more befitting manner, rather than using derogatory remarks and attempting to impart your wisdom (all 20 years of it) upon him.

      The article may not have been conveyed in the most politically correct manner, but I enjoyed and it definitely resonated with me. I honestly could not see any untruths; all statements had a factual basis, lol.

      You talk about change so eloquently as if it can be brought about so simply, but forgive us if we greet this with a degree of cynicism.

      For an “outsider” like Akh to infiltrate the taxi Mafia would be akin to a mission impossible type scenario, furthermore to actually bring about change; nigh on impossible. These bradari controlled systems are vehemently opposed to change, and the fact of the matter is, religion and culture have become so hopelessly conflated, it would be an arduous task to bring about any positive changes…sigh…

      Trump card! Excellent, lol.

  9. Masjids are no longer places of worship but for money making and political point scoring.
    Saddens me, but this story is not unique.
    Sometimes us Muslims are such an embarrassment to ourselves.
    Disgraceful.

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  11. Anonymous

    Worlds most stupid article. Ive jit wasted 5 mins of my time.

    • Wycombe Chap

      Wycombes problems will not go away as long as older generation do not leave the running of the mosques. Haji Rashid and his family are the biggest culprits he even had the Ltd company in his and 4 of his other cronies names. Shame on these people they are nothing but hypocrates

  12. Hussain

    Salaam my brother,

    May allah guide u and us. Brother it is best that you repent for what you have written in this article about your fellow brothers. The title of ths article is discraceful on its own, and msleading words yiu have put in the article are not just damaging to your akhirath, but also to the mentality of those that have no knowledge of the mosque committee.

    If you are occusing peeople of wrong you must have proof, if you do hav poof of the many statements you have made you must provide that with this article. Allah SWT says whosoever lifts the veil off my peoples sins or wrong doings in public, Allah will lift the veil of that person’s sins on the day of judgement. My brother fear death, have you no fear? If you cant speak the truth then at least dont mislead people and provide statements instead of proof. Allah says before you pass on information check it up, verify it then pass it on.

    Asalaam

    • Akh The Angry Academic Activist

      The facts are clear, a years long court case to decide ownership over the business & plenty of mosque funds “going missing”

      Sadly, accountability is a word lacking in the vocabulary of these individuals who run WIM Ltd.

      Rather than attack me by hiding behind the premise of Islamic etiquette. I suggest you go ask the board of directors at WIM ltd where the money went?

      the truth is, these individuals & their families that run the mosques do so as an extension of their personal fiefdom.

      You are a guardian or custodian of a masajid.

      Just because your grandfather built it, doesn’t mean you own it.

      I find it laughable that so many people have no problem in criticising me, for writing what is generally in the public domain, while defending those that have wilfully misused the bait ul maal.

  13. Wycombe Lad

    What do you think about the removal of hafiz Sajjad

  14. A-non

    Does anyone have the lowdown on those folk at the WISE masjid down in Totteridge? I was there for Friday prayers recently and the imam started off on bidah, then launched into an attack on evolution and monkeys and stuff. As well as an indirect attack on Muslim brothers who might care to defend this theory. (I mean what to do with Lucy, Neanderthals, inter-breeding, cave paintings, carbon dating and such s*t!) The brother, Allah bless him, claimed Darwin was a Jew who renounced his own religion. Can’t these people do basic fact checks – was there little kid with a mobile at the back on Wikipedia? (Darwin’s family was Unitarian Christians, i.e. practically Muslim!).

  15. +++“paki shop” owners, greasy deathtrap takeaways and the poorly employed taxi mafia’s and their aspirationally challenged (wannabe tony montana type drug dealing) children+++

    Do you live in my hometown, bro?

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  17. brad moor

    Islam has nothing to fear from any one of the commentators above. I think most of your are well outside the creed with your your mutual dislike for one another. Nevertheless. the situation appears no different in any other mosque up and down the country. Each and every one has squabbles amongst committee members. Problems usually emanate from ignoramuses being elected onto committees (as with any other election for office – council, MP etc etc). and the deep seated braderi allegiances we continue to uphold. There is a simple solution. Those who dislike the system should refrain. Reading at home is not forbidden and surely is more sacred than being in a profit motivated establishment. Secondly if reading at home reduces the amount of sawab you get, then read at the establishment – do your prayers and leave …. but dont put any money in the til.

  18. General

    Allah SWT will be just with those who have done wrong…if you don’t want to pray in WIM don’t. If you don’t want to donate their, don’t…simple.
    You sit proud behind your computer writing a long nonsense article, what say you do something proactive instead if not spend your time in the worship of Allahs SWT and seeking forgivness.

  19. Wycombe Realist

    To start with not everyone in HIgh Wycombe is a taxi driver, nor are all there kids wanna be drug dealers. I agree with the “sentiment & arguments” made. Yes the committee is a joke and has been for years. The imaam saab however is a very humble and honorable man who taught me when I was younger. The mosque should be a charitable organisation, the Imaam should head the so called “committee” this Thara/Sevia crap needs to stop. It is a joke and a very big one that the whole of High Wycombe town laugh at. Even the “white folk” in the town find the way the mosque is run a joke. I mean when was the last time the Church in Wycombe had an election?? forget calling the police to supervise !! Character assassination of the Imaam saab is abhorrent behavior, asking an Imaam to submit a time sheet for his prayers?? and to account for when he does not pray?? However to the author “professional class consist of “paki shop” owners, greasy deathtrap takeaways and the poorly employed taxi mafia’s and their aspirationally challenged (wannabe tony montana type drug dealing) children.” — I agree loads of taxi mafia, yes greasy deathtrap takeaways. However not all of the kids are bad, not all of the kids are Tony Montana types, and you have no right to judge or pass judgement on a whole town. I assure you, there is many people in the town who are very well educated, who do have good jobs, who do run good businesses. And no they’re not all greasy takeaways. Take it your father runs a corner shop does he and snorts like Mr Khan off citizen Khan and parks in disabled bays? Let me guess he voted British National Pakistanis at the election as well did he? Maybe read this post to your father or mother and ask if they agree with your choice of words? Don’t stereotype a whole town you have no right. If your so unhappy about the situation go to the mosque on a Friday and stand up and speak about it with everyone!! If not stop being a keyboard warrior shut your mouth and don’t even write about the issue.

  20. Al

    Awesome article! Please write some more.

    Eid Mubaarak.

    Al

  21. anon

    I don’t understand why people are getting angry over this article. this article is an observation. No where in Islam does it say that you are not allowed to observe. Bringing up problems in the mosque is a good thing because it makes people aware of the problem and not to have a blind attitude towards Islam.

    Isn’t part if going to the mosque praying for forgiveness and goodness in this life and the next. You guys that are jumping on this guy just for pointing out things that are CLEARLY wrong within the Muslim community should be DEEPLY ashamed of yourself for telling him indirectly or directly to NOT write these types of articles. It is the ones who stay quite that are the worst ones, they’re the ones that let the problems carry on and everyone knows that anyone who LETS a problem carry on is counted as the culprit also.

    And a message to Aasiq Rasul, you left a comment on: January 16, 2012 at 00:11 and from that message you wrote, “A muslim is the one who avoids harming Muslims with his tongue and hands.”

    My question to you is if you REALLY follow this Hadith, which we all know you don’t, why not quote this hadith at your local mosque in stead of making it out that you’re so religious?

    Also you had your say and then you went on to say, “and Please don’treply to this as I don’t like arguing and you will be going against this Hadith.”

    Sorry Aasiq Rasul, but that comment makes you a COMPLETE HYPOCRITE. You can’t involve yourself in a discussion, voice your opinion and then expect no one to reply, is THAT ISLAMIC? IS IT? You’re behaving like the guys in the mosque that like to call themselves the ‘bazurgs’. Anyway as I was saying, you decide to voice your opinion and then when confronted, decided that you WILL ARGUE and then on to say, “Astaghfirullah Im not one to pass Takfir on anyone, thats for Allah to decide, you sound like someone who is very interested in making something out of nothing just as the people in the Mosque having verbal battles every Friday during Jumah prayer.”

    Sorry, but I think you just described yourself in that sentence and don’t use words like Astaghfirullah immediately after you intentionally try to shut people up. Islam is NOT about shutting other muslims up, it is about open debates and freedom.

    Start acting like a Muslim and if you are not going to have enough guts to point out cracks in the Muslims community in order to make it better then atleast let others, like the write of this article, do THEIR job.

    Salaam and Peace !!!
    PS: You can reply as often as you wish, I’m open for discussion !!! and I’ve chose to remain anonymous incase we hear of another knife or gun crime again from so called Muslims !!!!!!!

    And YES I’m a Muslim, A PRACTICING ONE TOO !!!

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